{"id":389,"date":"2014-03-07T15:26:41","date_gmt":"2014-03-07T14:26:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/?p=389"},"modified":"2014-03-07T15:38:52","modified_gmt":"2014-03-07T14:38:52","slug":"al-jazeerah-article-quotes-karnavas-on-eccc-aspiration-vs-actuality","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/2014\/03\/07\/al-jazeerah-article-quotes-karnavas-on-eccc-aspiration-vs-actuality\/","title":{"rendered":"Al Jazeerah article quotes Karnavas on ECCC aspiration vs. actuality"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ECCC_Logo.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-391\" alt=\"ECCC_Logo\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ECCC_Logo.jpg?resize=50%2C50&#038;ssl=1\" width=\"50\" height=\"50\" \/><\/a>I was recently asked by journalist Julia Wallace to provide some thoughts for an article she was writing for Al Jazeera, focusing whether the ECCC has had a positive impact on the Cambodian court system.\u00a0 Though I was quoted correctly and reasonably in context, much of what I had provided was lost during the editing process. Since the article came out (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.aljazeera.com\/indepth\/features\/2014\/03\/khmer-rouge-tribunal-failing-expectations-20143293030347313.html\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.aljazeera.com\/indepth\/features\/2014\/03\/khmer-rouge-tribunal-failing-expectations-20143293030347313.html<\/a>) some have commented that my views are overly harsh and dismissive, or that I fail to acknowledge the challenges in Cambodia.\u00a0\u00a0 I think not, but you be the judge.\u00a0 Here is the full text of what I provided to Ms. Wallace for the Al Jazeera article:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">I have been involved in various projects over the past 20 years dealing with the Cambodian judicial system.\u00a0 I am also a big supporter of harvesting what is useful and applicable from the ECCC, both procedurally and substantively, and to apply it in the regular courts.\u00a0 (See my article, based on my presentation at the ECCC legacy conference: Bringing Domestic Cambodian Cases into Compliance with International Standards &#8211; Applicability of ECCC Jurisprudence and Procedural Mechanisms at the Domestic Level, posted on my blog <a href=\"https:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/2014\/02\/03\/karnavas-article-published-in-the-cambodia-law-and-policy-journal\/\" target=\"_blank\">michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog<\/a>).\u00a0 With this as a backdrop, I&#8217;ll attempt to provide some answers to your questions.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">I do not see any meaningful improvements in the judiciary &#8211; and in that I include, judges, prosecutors, lawyers, judicial police and court administrative staff. Cambodia has never, and I underscore, never, enjoyed an independent judiciary since it gained its independence.\u00a0 This is a significant point, since it highlights the lack of reference of what constitutes an independent and impartial judicial system, a healthy, vibrant and independent Bar, and an abiding respect for the rule of law, particularly by the institutions that are responsible for promoting and ensuring the rule of law (all are subject to the law equally, and the law applies equally to all).<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">The ECCC was the latest, and perhaps last, opportunity to improve the Cambodian judicial system, by being the so called &#8220;model&#8221; court.\u00a0 In my opinion, the ECCC has not lived up to its potential.\u00a0 Some very good lessons can be learned from this experiment. Some positive results have been achieved.\u00a0 But in many ways the ECCC has failed.\u00a0 That said, all is not lost.\u00a0 As I have pointed out in the past, some good law and procedure has come from the ECCC that is directly applicable to the local courts, especially relating to the international human rights\/fair trial rights guaranteed by the Cambodian Constitution.\u00a0 However, I have yet to see any meaningful effort to even begin a dialogue, let alone see action, on how to apply any of this at the local courts.\u00a0 And when the topic comes up, usually it is about getting funding from the UN or some NGOs to look into this, provide material and financial assistance, and so on. There is ample good will from the international community (the Germans in particular), but the local counterparts tend to focus on the money, as if a project on sustainable judicial reform is an ATM machine.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Truth be told, nothing can be adopted and implemented from the ECCC on a uniform and consistent manner by the courts in Cambodia without political will from the very top.\u00a0 There are few profiles of courage in the Cambodian judiciary, and the nail that sticks out gets pounded in.\u00a0 The Ministry of Justice, which will need the blessings of the Prime Minister as well as the CPP leadership, will need to take the lead on this.\u00a0 Regrettably, I see no efforts in that direction.\u00a0 Sadly, many of the reforms could be adopted with little political cost or fear.\u00a0 But an independent and impartial judicial system, complemented by a robust and independent Bar, can be a lethal cocktail in a place where political, social and economic change is craved not as a matter of if, but of when.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">No doubt some national judges, prosecutors, lawyers and court staff have learned quite a bit from their ECCC work experience.\u00a0 This is very positive.\u00a0 But I suspect that once the ECCC comes to an end, the skills and knowledge gained will rapidly dissipate as these folks head back to their old jobs.\u00a0 It need not be this way, but I seriously doubt it can be any other way. At least not until there is a political commitment from the very top for real change. And that means having to forgo the use of courts as a means of legitimizing illegitimate\/illegal actions. A brave new world.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0As I note, it is still not too late to capitalize on the opportunity to enhance the Cambodian judiciary by introducing some of the very positive results \u2013 substantive and procedural \u2013 from the ECCC.\u00a0 It just requires real commitment by the powers that be, followed by a bit of effort.\u00a0 In the meantime, the ECCC is well placed to set up its own legacy committee composed of national and international judges, prosecutors, lawyers and administrative staff to begin identifying what legal decisions (jurisprudence) and procedures can be applied in the national courts.\u00a0 National counterparts from outside the ECCC should be invited once there is some work product available to review and discuss.\u00a0 Modalities on implementation can also be identified at this stage.<\/p>\n<p>For this, all that is needed is a meeting place, plenty of which are available at the ECCC. Again, it all comes down to commitment. The question is whether such commitment really exists.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was recently asked by journalist Julia Wallace to provide some thoughts for an article she was writing for Al Jazeera, focusing whether the ECCC has had a positive impact on the Cambodian court system.\u00a0 Though I was quoted correctly and reasonably in context, much of what I had provided was lost during the editing &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/2014\/03\/07\/al-jazeerah-article-quotes-karnavas-on-eccc-aspiration-vs-actuality\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Al Jazeerah article quotes Karnavas on ECCC aspiration vs. actuality&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"yes","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[22,21,9],"tags":[6,7,3],"class_list":["post-389","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-eccc","category-international-criminal-law","category-press","tag-eccc","tag-international-criminal-law","tag-karnavas"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Al Jazeerah article quotes Karnavas on ECCC aspiration vs. actuality - michaelgkarnavas.net\/Blog<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/2014\/03\/07\/al-jazeerah-article-quotes-karnavas-on-eccc-aspiration-vs-actuality\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Al Jazeerah article quotes Karnavas on ECCC aspiration vs. actuality - michaelgkarnavas.net\/Blog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"I was recently asked by journalist Julia Wallace to provide some thoughts for an article she was writing for Al Jazeera, focusing whether the ECCC has had a positive impact on the Cambodian court system.\u00a0 Though I was quoted correctly and reasonably in context, much of what I had provided was lost during the editing &hellip; Continue reading &quot;Al Jazeerah article quotes Karnavas on ECCC aspiration vs. actuality&quot;\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/2014\/03\/07\/al-jazeerah-article-quotes-karnavas-on-eccc-aspiration-vs-actuality\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"michaelgkarnavas.net\/Blog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2014-03-07T14:26:41+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2014-03-07T14:38:52+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"http:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ECCC_Logo.jpg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Michael G. 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