{"id":31,"date":"2013-11-01T13:47:44","date_gmt":"2013-11-01T12:47:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/?p=31"},"modified":"2019-03-24T17:44:51","modified_gmt":"2019-03-24T16:44:51","slug":"attending-the-eleventh-icc-seminar-of-counsel-another-letdown","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michaelgkarnavas.net\/blog\/2013\/11\/01\/attending-the-eleventh-icc-seminar-of-counsel-another-letdown\/","title":{"rendered":"Attending the Eleventh ICC Seminar of Counsel \u2013 another letdown!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\">The ICC held its annual seminar for List Counsel on October 21 and 22, 2013 in The Hague.\u00a0 Three days of training followed.\u00a0 This was the eleventh time the ICC hosted this event.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">As in the past, the seminar was mostly an update, and for the most part not terribly rewarding.\u00a0 It was heartening to hear from the new Registrar,<a title=\"von Hebel experience\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20141222113459\/http:\/\/www.icc-cpi.int\/iccdocs\/asp_docs\/Elections\/ER2012\/ICC-ASP-ER2012-VONH-ES-ENG.pdf\" target=\"_blank\"> Herman von Hebel<\/a>, that changes are afoot in the Registry.\u00a0 He brings lots of practical knowledge and experience.\u00a0 There is already a feeling that he will be more understanding to the needs of List Counsel.\u00a0 From my brief conversation with him (I have known him since 2001), he seemed genuinely interested in working constructively with List Counsel.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Of all the presentations, the one that was most illuminating, and shocking, was from Mr. Simo V\u00e4\u00e4t\u00e4inen, the Rapporteur commissioned to evaluate the Victims and Witness Unit.\u00a0 In an uncharacteristically transparent fashion for the ICC, he presented a brutally honest assessment.\u00a0 In every way possible, the Victims and Witness Unit is an unmitigated disaster: low moral, poor services, atrocious management.\u00a0 The fact that Mr. V\u00e4\u00e4t\u00e4inen made this presentation is another indicator that the new Registrar is serious about change.<\/p>\n<p>The training, as usual, was disappointing.\u00a0 One day on how to fill out forms and two days on trial advocacy skills, best suited for properly functioning Anglo-Saxon courts and not for the ICC.<\/p>\n<p>The trainings over the year have been bland and unfocused, primarily because List Counsel are not consulted.\u00a0 Those selecting the topics for training seem to lack an appreciation for what List Counsel need, not to mention, what is effective and practicable at the ICC.\u00a0 Teaching the basics of cross-examination may be fine for those who have never cross-examined a witness, but at the ICC, classical cross-examination is ineffectual.\u00a0 Witnesses explain away their answers even when posed leading questions calling for yes or no answers.\u00a0 Judges are hardly passive, asking questions that often tend to undo a good cross-examination.<\/p>\n<p>What is needed is training on how to prepare and execute a good cross-examination when most of the questions posed will need to be open-ended.\u00a0 Engaging cross-examination is technical and complex, requiring not only skill, but a methodical approach in preparation.\u00a0 Some really experienced trainers are needed, and, to be done right, there must be an extensive inter-active component.\u00a0 Perhaps when List Counsel get organized and form a Bar, those organizing the seminar and training sessions will reach out to List Counsel through the Bar.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The ICC held its annual seminar for List Counsel on October 21 and 22, 2013 in The Hague.\u00a0 Three days of training followed.\u00a0 This was the eleventh time the ICC hosted this event. 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